Video: Haley, SC to Sue Feds Over Voter ID
Gov. Nikki Haley says South Carolina has the right to uphold the integrity of its voting system
S.C. Attorney General Alan Wilson on Tuesday said the state will file suit against the U.S. Department of Justice, which last month rejected the state's new Voter ID law requiring all voters to show a valid state-approved photo ID in order to cast a ballot.
Wilson said his office planned to file suit within the next 10 days in the U.S. District Court of the District of Columbia, as Patch first reported last week.
"Our intent is to ensure … that no voter is suppressed in their right to vote and that the integrity of the electoral process is protected," said Wilson, who appeared with S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley, state House Speaker Bobby Harrell, state Sen. Kevin Bright, and several state lawmakers at a noon press conference at the Statehouse.
It was a fear of voter suppression and disenfranchisement that prompted DOJ to reject the state's law, passed last May, in the first place.
Last month, Justice’s Civil Rights Division said the state's statute is discriminatory because its registered minority voters are nearly 20 percent more likely than whites to lack a state-issued photo ID.
Under the 1965 Voting Rights Act, South Carolina is one of a number of states that are required to receive federal "pre-clearance" on voting changes to ensure that they don’t hurt minorities’ political power. That mandate is a vestige of the state's Jim Crow era, and earlier, when grandfather clauses, poll taxes, and literacy tests were used to suppress minority voting.
"The absolute number of minority citizens whose exercise of the franchise could be adversely affected by the proposed requirements runs into the tens of thousands," Assistant Attorney General Thomas E. Perez said in a letter to South Carolina officials following DOJ's ruling in December.
Presently, voters need only show their driver's license or voter registration card to vote.
"Our citizens want us to exercise our constitutional right to secure our state’s election process from fraud and abuse with Voter ID," Harrell said. "Given all the facts, it is clear how unjust President Obama’s Department of Justice has been to our state and why state lawmakers are supporting the appeal of the rejection."
Wilson said the new law would actually ensure that all voters are enfranchised and that each voter's ballot would count. Of the estimated 239,233 registered voters with no appropriate photo ID, Wilson argued that 37,000 of those people are deceased, 91,000 no longer live in the state, and another 20,000 are registered, but go by different names.
"If you vote, and someone else votes fraudulently, they’ve suppressed your vote," said Bright. "It’s exactly the opposite of what the Obama administration has accused us of."
Pressed, however, to cite a specific instance where the lack of a state-approved photo ID has led to voter fraud, Haley was unable to do so.
Haley reiterated that the state has taken pains to help those without proper ID get one, citing a program last year that provided rides for people to their local Division of Motor Vehicles office. Haley said that "less than 30" took advantage of the offer statewide.
Wilson noted that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in favor of a similar Georgia law, and added that the South Carolina law even goes a step farther, allowing voters with no ID to sign an affidavit affirming their identity.
Haley, Wilson, Harrell, and Bright all argued that photo IDs are required for a wide array of things, from signing up for Medicaid, to purchasing certain over-the-counter or prescription drugs, to boarding airplanes.
Making a photo ID a requirement of voting, they argued, should be no different.
"The will of the people was that we want to protect the integrity of the voting process," Haley said. "And if you have to show a picture ID to buy Sudafed, if you have to show a picture ID to get on a plane -- you should have to show an ID to do that one thing that is so important to us, which is that right to vote.
"The House passed it, the Senate passed it, and I signed it," she added. "What we saw was the continued war on South Carolina that continues to happen -- like Boeing, like illegal immigration, and now we're seeing it with Voter ID. This has got to stop, and you will see us fight -- and you will see us fight hard."
Black state Rep. Todd Rutherford, of Columbia, called Haley's argument ludicrous. He stormed the podium after the press conference and said that voting is a fundamental Constitutional right -- buying Sudafed is not. And equating the two is preposterous, he said, as is the Haley Administration's whole rationale behind Voter ID.
"Can anyone show me in the Constitution where it says you have the right to buy prescription narcotics?" he railed. "At least one person will be affected by this law. And at a minimum, according to their numbers, 30,000 who do not have IDs in South Carolina will not be allowed to vote. They have done nothing to address that.
"They tell people they will give them rides. That is disingenuous at best," Rutherford added. "Nothing they have said today addresses what the true issue is … all they have done is create a problem that there was not before."
Cold War Vet
2:35 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
What is the big deal? An ID is an necessity to open a bank account, to apply for credit, to cash checks and do conduct most financial/legal transactions one has to perform no matter where they live. It is really so hard to ask folks to prove who they are, that they registered and eligible before they're allowed to cast their vote? Do folks understand that voting is a privilege and not a right? The Constitution details ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You can't deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington, DC can vote for a President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the 'most numerous branch' of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members. However, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by amendments several times. The qualifications for voters are left to the States. As long as the qualifications don't conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in some states, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. The 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, States can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.
Gerald Eu
5:30 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Voting is a right by law not a privilege..
Lincster
6:05 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
The fewer voters the more likely a righty wins. It's really about the math.
SDR
10:31 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
The fewer unlawful votes, the less diluted my lawful vote.
Gerald Eu
11:28 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
The Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the 15th Amendment, please take the time to read this
Tom Gallagher
11:36 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
It is not your Constutional right to do any of the afforementioned - Voting is - plain and simple. This is a GOPTEA ploy to wipeout alot of votes that will more than likely not be for their insurectionest butts. The voter fraud LIE is just that, A LIE. there have been seven cases of "voter fraud" in SC in the last 20 years - Imagine that, SEVEN in TWENTY and they were not people trying to use fradulent devices or fake ID's - They were for individual groups attempting to sign up voters for registration while telling them to BE registered they needed to vote for a certain candidate. So if Trikki Nikki and co. want to lie and cheat (as per her normal M.O.) and waste millions of OUR tax paying dollars to fight this, rather than use that money for education,roads,health and human resources, etc. I think the GOPTEA voting FOOLS in this state better wake up. Our state is being stolen, taxed, and new lawed out from under us by a woman that has no right to be in the position she is in.
Mimi
2:37 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
How much is that costing the state???? I guess they could always use the money that Nimrata lied about to steal from the tax payers to implement the health care. This woman has no boundaries when it comes to wasting the tax payers money. No wonder this is consider the sewer of the South.
Cold War Vet
3:31 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
The ONLY real cost to the state is free transportation the Gov. has offered/provided to those that need a ride to their local DMV to get a State ID. Everyone should have a state issued ID, be a driver's license or state issued ID. The REAL ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, mandates people born on or after Dec 1, 1964, obtain a REAL ID by Dec 1, 2014. Those born before Dec 1, 1964, will have until Dec 1, 2017 to obtain their REAL ID. (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act). Unfortunately, SC is still covered under Sec 5 of the Voting Rights Act requiring the state to get pre-clearance for any voting change from the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ or a federal court in DC. Sec 5 was originally passed in 1965 to stop widespread, systematic discrimination in the South. The DOJ's recent decision against SC is very disconcerting. Obama must be desperate win re-election. He's ordered the DOJ to remove obstacles to his success by attacking laws designed to assure that justice prevails where voting is concerned. The DOJ is violating the Constitution. How dare a sitting president prevent states, like SC, from making sure that elections are fair and honest? Obama might think voter fraud is the norm, since he's from Chicago, a town well-known for voter fraud, but voter fraud is not the norm in SC. I applaud our Gov. for trying to to prevent it.
SDR
10:30 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Thanks for your comments, but they mean nothing, considering the source.
Willie Bell
3:35 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Cold Vet, it's in our consitution that give every America the "Rigth to Vote" that's why we have a "Bill OF Right", not a bill of previlage. As for needing ID"s for planes,movies and ect these items are not in the consitution. If you want to pass an voter ID's laws it should be national and should go into effect in four years.
Cold War Vet
3:41 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
The right to vote in SC comes from the SC Constitution. The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly guarantee a right to vote, and our federal courts currently read the document not to include it. As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments. The Constitution explicitly prohibits discrimination in granting the franchise based on a person's race, sex, or (adult) age via the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. The 24th Amendment also bars disenfranchisement via poll taxes. States and other governments can and do disenfranchise individuals and groups of citizens, and so long as they do it without provable bias, it's entirely legal.
Cold War Vet
3:45 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Voting Rights in the United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States. ".....each state is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own jurisdiction." "......The 'right to vote' is explicitly stated in the US Constitution in the above referenced amendments but only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the 'right to vote' is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. States may deny the 'right to vote' for other reasons."
Graham Montague
4:47 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
"Cold War Vet"? Jjust about says it all.
Cold War Vet
5:35 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
@Graham: I'm proud of my voluntary military service during the 'Cold War Era', (the period 2 Sep 1954 to 26 Dec 1991) Pres. Clinton signed E.O. 12985, into law on 11 Jan 1996, commending veterans of the Cold War Era. He cited that it was a time when imminent hostile action with an armed foreign power was always a possibility. The Armed Forces of the USA confronted and engaged the forces of worldwide Communism continuously from the end of World War II until the dissolve of the USSR, and its collapse constituted the greatest military success for American arms and the US Armed Forces since the end of the WWII. I'm honored to have served. And I'mm thankful to all those that I served with. Because of us, freedom lives. If you can read this, thank a teacher, If you are reading it in English, thank a Veteran.
jon steele
6:39 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
funny you should ask about Alvin Green: his "candidacy" is an example of the real kinds of voter fraud being perpetrated, nearly always by the GOP (at least, all the ones being prosecuted--even by GOP attorneys general--seem to be). In this case, it was running a fake candidate so DeMint wouldn't have trouble being re-elected.
(Of course, the tea party and the GOP pulled that trick several times last cycle... they always do these things in cycles. Sometimes, it's fake calls reminding everyone to vote the wrong day; others, it's fake poll watchers asking people personal questions outside the polls. This season, following the Koch's lead, they've all discovered the magic words, "voter fraud," which is a way to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to suppress the vote among populations that tend to vote--honestly--against you.
As for there being 42000 real votes for Green, I'm willing to believe there are that many people willing to vote against DeMint (in fact, I have trouble imagining 130000 or more voting for him. No wonder the right wingnuts who talk about taking over a state always start their target list with SC: there's already fertile ground for all kinds of reactionary ideas.
What I can't see is any "real" vote stealer taking a chance to go to jail to produce votes for Alvin Green. If there were people stealing elections, and they were all that stupid, then they couldn't succeed--which of course, there isn't and they don't.
JimW
10:03 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
@Cold War Vet
Thank you for your service and your insights on this thread!
stanley seigler
3:50 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
not too much can be said that hasnt been said on PATCH threads...
The state [SC] election commission said there are no known cases of voter fraud in recent history...if the new [revised jim crow] law does go into effect certain members of minority groups, the elderly and residents in rural areas, who do not have a photo id, would unfairly lose their right to vote.
http://www2.scnow.com/news/2011/oct/28/south-carolina-election-commission-has-no-confirme-ar-2622257/
there is NO voter fraud corrected by proposed voter ID law...sez it all...
has anyone ask, under the existing regulations, how can anyone (including dead folks) vote more than once...
the real cost is in the time legislators have wasted proposing a useless law...they follow the koch bros like sheep...pandering to get koch donations.
Cold War Vet
3:53 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
I'll answer your question with two questions. Who were the 42,000+ folks that voted for Alvin Green? Can you honestly tell me he received 42,000+ honest votes?
Rick
4:35 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Cold War Vet: I'll answer your question with a question: Do you honestly believe 40% of Delaware voters actually voted for Christine O'Donnel? She was equally crazy and since she took herself seriously, she was far more dangerous. Was there massive voter fraud in Delaware? By your logic, there must have been.
Cold War Vet
5:01 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Rick: I don't know. That's a good question for the voters of Delaware to answer, and their Attorney General. I'm honestly astonished that anyone beyond her immediate family voted for her.
stanley seigler
9:31 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
@Cold War Vet: "Can you honestly tell me he received 42,000+ honest votes?"
COMMENT
weel i can honestly tell you ad nauseam:
"The state [SC] election commission said there are no known cases of voter fraud in recent history...
http://www2.scnow.com/news/2011/oct/28/south-carolina-election-commission-has-no-confirme-ar-2622257/
"A key component of the GOP’s campaign has been orchestrated by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which receives substantial funding from the Koch brothers...the measures [voter ID] were sponsored by legislators who are members of ALEC."
http://www.thenation.com/blog/164453/why-koch-brothers-and-alec-dont-want-you-vote
"ALEC’s influence in the war on voting spotlights the $245,550 in campaign contributions the Koch brothers have given to politicians supporting new voter ID laws...Folks like the Koch brothers are attempting to ensure that as few people of color and as few young people show up as possible [likely BO voters]...
"During the George W. Bush administration, The [Department of Justice] devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out polling-place fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_(United_States)
SDR
10:31 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Oh learned Stanley, if there was voter fraud, how would you prevent it?
samer
4:14 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Friday: the victory of of principle and will to the occupation and wanted on January 6, 2012 day on 12 Safar 1433 AH in response to the call of the religious authority, the Supreme Mr. Sarkhi Hassani (long live) to reject the survival of all residues the U.S. occupation obnoxious and under any title and all forms of trainers or security companies and administrative corruption
Iraq / Basra / Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6yvx0aiCUs&feature=player_embedded
Iraq / Basra /Harthh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Izk02JC_4I&feature=player_embedded
Iraq / Diwaniya / Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjfqJ9pTA18&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL0- SyRc9c&feature=player_embedded
Iraq / Baghdad /Nation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MHezs0zZI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MHezs0zZI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MHezs0zZI&feature=player_embedded
Iraq / Samawah / Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpD3mU8FMJ8&feature=player_embedded
samer
4:20 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Statement number 80 of Iraq's religious reference to Mr. Hassani Sarkhi titled security companies and the faces of the brutal occupation and a link to you the statement
http://www.al-hasany.com/vb/showthread.php?t=306737
Larry Budzowski
4:21 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
The state has made state id available for some time. The jobless have ids to get a job is they want one. IDs are needed to drive, cash checks (even a welfare or unemployment check) . Only the ones who are using the system want to vote this down or the ones that want to assure a re-election of Obama
David Hill
4:49 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
You're a tool. The evidence clearly shows there is no voter fraud. And in your bias opinion (ie Fox given) only Dems would do voter fraud, never a God-loving GOPers. Really? Are you so bias that this is your logic? And how do you feel about big gov't? Isn't requring yet another ID intrusion? Well....
George Grace
12:29 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
"(even a welfare or unemployment check)"
You don't need a picture ID to endorse a check and deposit it in your account with a deposit slip. You also don't need one to have your check deposited electronically.
reg
1:51 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
They've only made it available to those in the immediate Columbia area. Folks who live in rural areas (and our state has the largest portion of population in rural areas, dontcha know) are left out. And it's those same rural folks who have the highest proportion of exclusion under this former/challenged law.
Gretchen
8:33 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Larry -- you are EXACTLY right. All this complaining about the POOR and OLD PEOPLE not being able to get an ID card is a bunch of HOOIE ! PERIOD ! Take a look at ACORN ... and how many fraudulent voters cards they issued. Voter ID is a great idea :)
SDR
11:28 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
In SC, one must have a photo ID to register to vote.
In SC, one must have a photo ID to apply for state funded aid.
Gerald Eu
11:44 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
SDR. a person does not need a photo ID to register to vote in SC
Steven Williams
4:23 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
And the only ones backing it are right wingers who want to see any one of the crazy GOP field elected over Obama and know the only way they can do it, because they have far fewer registered voters, is to suppress the vote. Partisanship goes both ways.
Cold War Vet
4:52 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Sorry Steven. I disagree. "Voter ID is required to vote in many of the 50 United States and U.S. territories. The first laws requiring identification to vote at the polls were passed in 2003, and as of September 2011, 30 U.S. states require some form of photo or non-photo identification. The identification required to submit a ballot differs by state law, and may differ by de facto voting procedures." Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_(United_States). Read "State by State Voter ID Laws", which states: "Voter ID Laws are laws in each state that may require a voter to show government issued photo identification at the polling places. All states must meet the minimum requirement set by the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) in which require photo ID for those who register by mail and did not provide identification. However, some states have tougher requirements set by state law." Ref: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/State_by_State_Voter_ID_Laws).
reg
1:54 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Cold war vet: your own citation disputes your argument. As you cite, "photo or non-photo identification." so what about the seniors who legally do not need to renew their IDs? They can vote even if their IDs are expired, and banks and even courtrooms have to accept those expired IDs. That proposed (and now defeated) law would have allowed voting precinct staff (who receive four hours of training) to hold a higher authority than judges - and let them deny those seniors their God-given, constitutionally-given right to vote.
samer
4:23 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
To reach our voice to all the liberals of the world to reach our voice to every honest person and jealous that we reject the U.S. occupation of Iraq since entering the land of Iraq, pure and we still reject the occupation in all its forms from the soldiers, trained and security companies word uttered by Mr. Sarkhi Hassani (long live) and echoed by his supporters, where tens of thousands to denounce and reject occupation in all its forms to Friday the fifteenth in a row and you link some of those protests
Iraq / Baghdad /Nation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MHezs0zZI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MHezs0zZI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MHezs0zZI&feature=player_embedded
Iraq / Samawah / Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpD3mU8FMJ8&feature=player_embedded
David Hill
4:46 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Hey Cold Vet: Don't you want LESS gov't intrusion in your life? Why do we need yet ANOTHER form or ID when there is no problem to solve?
Don't be hypocrite like the GOP leaders.
reg
1:56 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Amen, brother. Still don't understand how those supposedly God-guided Rethuglicans can be so un-Christian in the proposals and platforms they introduce. Good thing I'm a Christian myself - I'll forgive them. (I won't forget them, though.)
Cold War Vet
5:05 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
David: David. I'm all for less government in business and our lives. To answer your question, refer back to my earlier comment regarding the REAL ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, which mandates people born on or after Dec 1, 1964, obtain a REAL ID by Dec 1, 2014. Those born before Dec 1, 1964, will have until Dec 1, 2017 to obtain their REAL ID. (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act).
reg
1:48 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Once you're 65 years of age, and as long you're no longer driving a motor vehicle, you do not need to reapply for an ID card. Your last one remains valid, even if it expires. No bank can refuse a senior's ID when they want to cash a check, even if its expired, according to law. No court can refuse their expired ID when they show up for jury duty or to testify in a trial. But the "law" that Haley et al want implemented would block those seniors from being able to vote. And that's what would bite them on the backside, too, since most seniors in SC vote GOP. This is nothing other than voter suppression, which we've come to expect from the Republicans.
stanley seigler
10:10 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
@PATCH: "Nothing they [and pro IDers] have said today addresses what the true issue is...all they have done is create a problem that there was not before."
guess they must "figger" they dont have enough problems...lets create one...voter ID makes as much sense as firing on ft sumter...
why do good "christian" people go to extremes to defend the koch bros (alex's) jim crow scheme to suppress likely BO voters..."go figger".
surely they dont believe the koch's, etal, give a damn about them...or the folks they disenfranchise.
Gretchen
10:13 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Stanley ... have you ever noticed WHO IS COMPLAINING about these ID cards ?? It's the DEMS ! Does that mean the only way the DEMS can win and election is by cheating -- like they do every year in CHICAGO ???
stanley seigler
11:14 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
@Gretchen: "... have you ever noticed WHO IS COMPLAINING about these ID cards ?? It's the DEMS ! Does that mean the only way the DEMS can win and election is by cheating -- like they do every year in CHICAGO ???
COMMENT
as you well know, or should know, there are no supporting facts re voter fraud at the polling place in chicago...or any other USA city...and;
this is the type of "non existing" fraud the koch jim crow laws correct...
the DEMs are complaining, as they should. it is immoral, unchristian, to return SC to "those thrilling days of yesteryear 'poll tax'."
and as you also know or should know the DEMs are no more guilty of cheating than the GOPs...fraud should be corrected and punished...
the voter ID laws do not, DO NOT, address fraud by election officials and voter machines.
reg
11:48 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
The Dems are complaining, Gretchen, because it's the Dems who protect our freedoms. It's the GOTEA/Rethuglican party that keeps trying to *take away* our freedoms. Still can't believe anyone with IQ higher than that of a doorknob would believe those GOTEA goons anymore. They always say one thing, then do the exact opposite.
Gretchen
11:05 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
In today's paper there was an article about how 900 DEAD PEOPLE had voted recently. The director of the DMV, Kevin Shwedo, said, " If you have voted after you are dead, there is a good, stong possibility that you did something illegal." HOW STUPID IS THAT COMMENT ??? He is the director??? I think we need someone with a bit more brain power in that position. No wonder DEAD PEOPLE are voting.
Cold War Vet
11:22 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
Here's the link: http://www.live5news.com/story/16499219/dmv-leader-records-show-900-dead-may-have-voted
reg
11:52 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
The DMV doesn't have any records of anyone who voted - it's the *Department of Motor Vehicles*, for pete's sake. It only has record of driver's licenses.
Why don't you ask the State Election Commission, which says they have no record of any fraudulent voting in the state? http://www2.scnow.com/news/2011/oct/28/south-carolina-election-commission-has-no-confirme-ar-2622257/
stanley seigler
12:42 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012
@G@Gretchen: "...an article about how 900 DEAD PEOPLE had voted recently.
COMMENT
"research has revealed evidence that over 900 deceased people "APPEAR" to have 'voted' in recent elections in South Carolina, said Wilson...I have asked SLED Chief Keel to review Director Shwedo's research."
NOT voted. appears to have. being investigated. Assume state [SC] election commission DID investigate and said, "there are no known cases of voter fraud in recent history..."
if SC election commission didn't find fraud and there indeed is the commission should be fired.
can someone explain what the procedure "dead people" (fraudulent voters) used...
another "APPEARS":
"Apparently" someone already voted in his name when he showed up. After talking to headquaters he was allowed to submit a "second" vote in his name. It may just be a mistake at the pricinct, who may have checked a wrong voter earlyer
further, the mistake or apparent fraud was caught without a voter ID...just a matter of checking the registration roles...
further the real problem is still not addressed...eg;
"90 per cent of tonight’s votes in the GOP New Hampshire primary will be counted by notoriously suspect Diebold electronic voting machines, which during the Democratic primary back in 2008 produced a result that completely defied both pre-primary and exit polls."
Mimi
5:32 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Gretchen is it that you can't read or you lack the intelligence to comprehend??? The only thing the paper is saying is that these people are REGISTERED to vote NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THEY VOTED. You people are so involved in your dellusions you lack the ability to absorb facts. I would be questioning why the ELECTION COMMISSION has kept these people on the roles.
Cold War Vet
11:58 am on Thursday, January 12, 2012
On Dec 23rd, Assistant AG Thomas E. Perez sent a letter ordering SC to stop enforcing its photo ID law. [PEREZ HEADS THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION THAT BOOTED CHARGES AGAINST THE NEW BLACK PANTHERS PARTY FOR INTIMIDATING VOTERS IN PHILADELPHIA IN 2008]. Perez alleges SC's law would disenfranchise thousands of minority voters. SC AG Alan Wilson rejected Perez’s math and explained on Fox News why the law is necessary. The state DMV audited a state Election Commission report that said 239,333 people were registered to vote but had no photo ID. The DMV found that 37,000 were deceased, more than 90,000 had moved to other states, and others had names not matched to IDs. That left only 27,000 people registered without a photo ID but who could vote by signing an affidavit as to their identity. VIDEO: NH POLL WORKERS SHOWN HANDING OUT BALLOTS IN DEAD PEOPLES’ NAMES http://congressmantomtancredo.com/category/voter-fraud/. "What's the problem with South Carolina's voter ID law?" http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/01/whats_the_problem_with_south_carolinas_voter_id_law.html.
Mimi
5:46 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Cold War are you still trying to spin that NEW Black Panther thing???? IT WAS 3 PEOPLE. The only movement you should be worried about is the mushroom tea drinking movement, those people will do anything to get their nonsense heard. The more you comment the more you sound dellusional. I am starting to think that you are reallly Jessie Venture. Boooogie men all around. You must stay up all night with you finger on the trigger waiting for those scary people coming for you. SEEK HELP SOON
Geneva Lawrence
10:42 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Just watched the NH video. Everyone commenting here needs to watch it.
Gerald Eu
8:03 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012
Geneva watched the video, and waiting for the next video of the perpetrators being arrested for voter fraud
Steve Jones
12:34 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012
Based on one theme that seems common to many comments it appears we could/should eliminate a large portion of our local, state, and federal governments. That is "if it is not reported/you dont see it, then it must not be". But, are the same persons advocating removal of other money consuming exercises for this "it is not a problem" reason?
Gretchen
12:36 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012
REG .... DMV or not ... the statement is simply IGNORANT. People like that should not be in CHARGE of ANYTHING.
Cold War Vet
12:51 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." - Thomas Jefferson
Steve Jones
1:44 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.
Thomas Jefferson
stanley seigler
3:32 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012
@PATCH: "...Of the estimated 239,233 registered voters with no appropriate photo ID, Wilson argued that 37,000 of those people are deceased, 91,000 no longer live in the state, and another 20,000 are registered, but go by different names."
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this proof voterID at polling place not needed...assume computer check/search found:
"239,233 registered voters with no appropriate photo ID, 37,000 deceased, 91,000 no longer live in the state; 20,000 are registered, but go by different names."
then these names should be (and hopefully ARE) REMOVED from the registered voters rolls...and still leaves 91,000 to be disenfranchised by the voterID law...I/2 of which could throw an election...ie;
"...numbers show the massive racial divide - 94% of African Americans approve of the job he's (BO's) doing but only 24% of whites do. If he had even a 30% approval rating with white voters he'd be in pretty decent standing in the state..."
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/06/obama-close-in-south-carolina-except.html
@reg: The DMV doesn't have any records of anyone who voted...
but it is another source that can be used to check addresses, etc.
would still like to know the procedure fraudulent voters use...i cant figure how i could vote twice...it would have to some massive conspiracy that would be easily detected...eg;
assume 900 dead folks voted...who organized this fraud (the koch bros?)...the fraud is that inflicted by the koch bros and their sheep on possible BO voters.
Cold War Vet
7:30 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
@Mimi: Why aren't Democrats speaking out against the Solyndra Campaign slush fund scandal? Seems the Democratic Party is not “The protectors of the people in America” as Nancy Pelosi likes to say? Stealing half a billion taxpayer dollars to give to a proven failing Solar panel company is supposed to be protecting the people? Where's the outrage from Democrats? Hint: There is none. How about the Democrats silence about the Fast and Furious government gun-running fiasco? Where is the outrage from Democrats in Congress demanding justice for this case of proven Government malfeasance? Hint: There is none. Where's the demands of the Democratic voters, political operatives and DNC power-brokers for people to be held accountable for these obvious travesties of injustice against the American people today? Hint: There is none. When it comes to corruption, big government abuse of our Constitution, and over-all illegal activity stemming from the Solyndra pay for play fraud, and the Fast and Furious government assault weapons to drug cartels fiasco, it appears the Democratic Party is deaf, dumb and blind. Apparently, you and their supporters that chant “Four more years” condone government abuse. Obama's appointees are responsible for criminal injustices to the American people. The Democratic campaign coffers is another failed green energy scam, yet not one Democrat in Congress has the honesty or integrity to condemn these actions. Democrats are really deaf, dumb and blind.
Cold War Vet
7:36 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
@Mimi: Read "How to Tell a Democrat from a Republican" by Leon Felkins at http://www.americanpolitics.com/030499dictionary.html. Mr. Felkins talks about the differences Republican and Democrat approaches on various issues. Even the Bible teaches us about the blind leading the blind -- "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides [of the blind]. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." (Matthew 15:13-14). -- "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher." (Luke 6:39-40).
Mimi
8:07 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Hey Cold War why didn't the Republicans speak out about solyndra when Bushy Boy was handing out loan to them??? Hey Cold War why aren't Republicans speaking out about the biggest socialist program the country has THE MILLITARY. Hey Cold War why aren't the Republicans speaking out about the billions of dollars being squandered in the 2 made up wars we are paying for???? Why aren't the Republicans speaking out about the cost to the tax payers for corporate welfare???
Cold War Vet
8:09 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Read "Blind Obedience to the State: The Sheep Are Now Ready for Slaughter!" by Gary D. Barnett at: http://lewrockwell.com/barnett/barnett42.1.html.
Mimi
8:11 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Hey Cold War read the bible instead of someone else interpetation that for every one you can list I can list a different interpertation. As long as you realize you happen to be the blind man following the blind then I really don't care what you read.
Mimi
8:15 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Cold War here some informationof ACTUALLY legistration that will make it very CLEAR what the difference is between the Republicans and Democrats.
http://static.newrules.org/voice2004/101304charts.html
Cold War Vet
9:12 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Based on your comments, you believe that the government has money of its own. You believe government health care is less expensive. You believe George W. Bush is responsible for all that is wrong in government. You see nothing wrong with Wilson, Roosevelt, LBJ, Carter, or Clinton. You believe Bush lied and Clinton didn't. You believe Obama tells the truth. You believe Al Gore invented the internet. You believe hanging chads should count. Keep bowing to your messiah and remember to say your prayer -- Our gubmint Mack-Daddy, hallowed be Thy name, please forgive my trespass against Thee. O, Holiest of Holies named Obama, forgive this poor, benighted sinner, I know not what I say about Your Holiness. forgive me, pardon me, grant me atonement for my lack of faith in Your works on the public dime, Your Holy Ascensions to multiple golf-courses, and Your many Junkets to raise money from Your disciples, all at $35,000 a plate. Let not Your ATF, FBI, and IRS not hound or audit me to the poor-house, for I am with You.....Yea, thugh I blaspheme against You this day, I will be with You, always. I beseech the Saints, Saint Solyndra, Saint Soros, Saint Reverend Wright, Saint Bill Ayres, and Saint Light-Squared, to protect me and intercede with the Holiest of Holies, the Obama, on my behalf! آمين ; بمعنى اللهم استجب ويقال عند الدعاء بالخير!
stanley seigler
11:21 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
@Cold War Vet (CWV)
to quote huntsman re romney's charge huntsman's service to our country, as ambassador to china was a bad thing, Quote: "mitt, it's remarks like that that divide our country." (something close)
ditto CWV's not too clever, plagiarized, comments (prayer) here...they (it) adds nothing to the understanding of the need for voterID laws...in fact detract, in my opine.
JimW
10:41 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
Here’s my question to those of you that oppose this new law. Would you be willing to support it if it included all necessary aid to help any citizen that needed a photo ID to get one?
Personally, I have absolutely no objection with helping our citizens obtain proper state ID. I think this would be a great thing, since having a valid state issued photo ID could also potentially help them when seeking employment, conducting business or banking transactions, etc. It seems to me this would be a win-win solution for people on both sides of this debate. Also, there would be the positive side effect of helping people that are at the center of the debate.
Cold War Vet
11:37 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
@Stanley et al: Here's the bottom line. In January 2008, DHS issued a final rule to establish minimum standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards in accordance with the REAL ID Act of 2005. The regulations set standards for states to meet the requirements of the REAL ID Act, including: information and security features that must be incorporated into each card; proof of identity and lawful status of an applicant; verification of the source documents provided by an applicant; and security standards for the offices that issue licenses and identification cards. Pursuant to the DHS REAL ID regulation, States were to be in full compliance with the REAL ID Act of 2005 by May 11, 2011. A final rule issued March 7, 2011 changes that date to Jan 15, 2013. This change gives States the time necessary to ensure that driver's licenses and identification cards issued by States meet the security requirements of the REAL ID Act. SC has no choice in the matter. SC must comply with federal requirements, but, because of the problems I stated earlier, SC must seek authority through the DOJ to amend it's laws. The DOJ isn't allowing SC to conform to federal laws. The minimum standards are available for your review at http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2011/2011-5002.htm.
Cold War Vet
11:39 am on Friday, January 13, 2012
How much more fact do you need? Public Law 109-13, "Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005'', TITLE II--IMPROVED SECURITY FOR DRIVERS' LICENSES AND PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION CARDS SEC. 201. <<NOTE: 49 USC 30301 note.>> DEFINITIONS. In this title, the following definitions apply: [[Page 119 STAT. 312]] (1) Driver's license.--The term ``driver's license'' means a motor vehicle operator's license, as defined in section 30301 of title 49, United States Code. (2) Identification card.--The term ``identification card'' means a personal identification card, as defined in section 1028(d) of title 18, United States Code, issued by a State. (3) Official purpose.--The term ``official purpose'' includes but is not limited to accessing Federal facilities, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft, entering nuclear power plants, and any other purposes that the Secretary shall determine. (4) Secretary.--The term ``Secretary'' means the Secretary of Homeland Security. (5) State.--The term ``State'' means a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, and any other territory or possession of the United States. (http://epic.org/privacy/id_cards/real_id_act.pdf)
Anne Hansen
7:23 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
There's no adverse affect on anyone to need an ID to vote. That's like saying that all the people they claim it will hurt are mentally retarted!