Well he has a DARN SIGHT MORE EXPERIENCE than OBAMA. Come on ! Give it a rest. And he is NOT GOING TO GET RID OF MEDICARE -- he is trying to SAVE IT .

@Gretchen: '... he is trying to SAVE IT.'

save?? why does '1984' newspeak come to mind...an old radio show, 'lets pretend' also comes to mind...

[CLIP] Ryan told CBO to ASSUME IT [his budget] ACHIEVES IT'S REVENUE/SPENDING GOALS!...[ie], score my budget pretending it works as I predict...[end clip]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101621771

Gretchen,
If experience matters, then clearly Obama has more than Ryan or Romney. He has been president for 3 years, and has three years experience trying to clean up the mess of a predecessor. By the way, he also served in both the House and the Senate, as well as in the community. And as for getting rid of Medicare, please read Ryan's own words. He does in fact want to get rid of it and simply give a voucher for seniors to buy their own insurance. Of course, if the GOP repeals ACA, there will be no chance at all for a senior, with or without a pre-existing condition, to get insurance. Are you being honest, or are you simply not knowledgeable of Ryan's proposals? He is not trying to hide from them, he believes in them. Privatizing Social Security was his big focus under George W., but Karl Rove advised Bush that Ryan was too radical. Now he wants to "privatize" Medicare. That is his agenda. If you deny it, you are either not being honest or else uninformed. Since you deny it, I wonder, if you find out for yourself it is true, then would you change your opinion?

You must not be LISTENING ! ! Or else you are just listening to HARRY RIED .. the guy who KNOWS EVERYTHING ha ha ha

No, reg, you are wrong. Obama has already robbed the taxpayers by taking billions out of Medicare to fund his Obamacare. That is a fact. It is now law. Every single poll shows the majority of voting American taxpayers do not want Obamacare!

You're providing troll tidbits, DuiA - the only "billions out of Medicare" are the billions in fraud and abuse that cost the program so much; ACA has measures to block that fraud and abuse, which is the amount you trolls keep coming up with. Ryan's budget bill specifies REMOVAL of the abuse watch program, though. As for "every single poll....." - PUT UP OR SHUT UP. A majority of the population favors the program. Go back to your insurance company desk and crank out more insurance company press releases, DuiA

RE(pu)G(nant) . . .

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/rasmussen-healthcare-law-repeal/2012/08/13/id/448377

Here's your FACTS about who doesn't want Obamacare.

There you go again - you're using Newsmax as a source. that's the journal founded by Chris Ruddy and funded by Richard Mellon Scaife. And the source of that article is Rasmussen - the "poll" company that real media refuse to use, because it's a fraudulent institution. Rasmussen himself is a contributor to World Net (nut) Daily, for pete's sake. Keep trying DuiA - you're proving yourself a troll with each and every statement you make here

maisenbluedoc,
yes we should hear what he stands for, but what we know of him is not because of opponents' sound bites, it is because he actively campaigned for the the privatization of Social Security in 2005, and is now proposing ending Medicare to be replaced by vouchers for individuals to buy health insurance. Good luck as a senior with/without any pre-existing condition trying to buy insurance if ACA is repealed.

@maizenbluedoc: '...Obama/Biden haven't done much...etcetc...'

google BO accomplishments...one might disagree they are accomplishments...but simple indications of DEM (BO) v GOP policiy accomplishments are:

*losing jobs in 2008 and trending down; gaining jobs in2009-12 and trending up
*DJI at around 7000 in 2008; now around 12,000 plus...
*GOP policies resulted in 1929 depression and 2008 recession.
MIT advocates the same GOP 1929/2008 voodoo policies.

AND
'Ratings of America are overwhelmingly favorable in Western Europe. For example, 73% in France and 63% in Germany say they have a favorable view of the U.S. Moreover, ratings of America have improved sharply in Russia (57%), up 13 percentage points since 2009, in China (58%), up 11 points, and in Japan (66%), up 7 points. Opinions are also highly positive in other nations around the world including South Korea (79%), Poland (74%), and Brazil (62%).' http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2010/06/us_popularity_abroad.html

PS
re: '...Golly! I thought the president made the important decisions, not the VP...'

maizenbluedoc, did you forget boot sure shot veep cheney

No one here sees the long term consequences. Robert seems to be in love with a system that surely will benefit him (Medicare and Social Security), but does'nt really seem to care about those who follow him. To fund these programs, under the levels now established for every american who is alive and is either collecting the benefits or who are working and paying taxes, it will cost more than $60 trillion dollars. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75603.html We collect about 2.4 trillion a year in taxes, almost 60% (1.4 trillion) of this is used to pay for these two programs. This means that if we spent every dime of taxes for the next 25 years (2.4 T X 24 yrs), and did not spend any other money on any other programs (education, defense etc.) we would break even. The only problem is, 25 years of babies will be born, possibly some will be Roberts children or grand children, they will not be covered. So, that is what the current system gives us and yet people still think that ANY OTHER PLAN will destroy American seniors. Then the arguement will come up , " I paid into these programs and I deserve these benefits". That is correct but the problem is, while you were living your life, your elected representatives raided these benefit funds for other programs. Now, young families, just starting out with no wealth or security, watch as you take 60% of their taxes for something you "deserve" and something they will never have. What about the next generation?

"Obama/Biden haven't done much to help the country..."

Typical douce bag response. Just because you're blinded of reality and knowledge doesn't mean they haven't done anything.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

That is why the democrats fight so hard to save medicare: they have gotten rich on it..(fraud)...not hard to figure.

@Gretchen....when you hit a nerve or they cannot prove your point wrong democrat's always, always, always attack you personally. They take what is said on CNN or CBS or worse in newspapers, as God's word (oops! bad choice of words...lol). Go Gretchen!

AND JUST WHERE did you hear that HERB ....." Ryan wants to stop and do away with Social Security and Medicare" Come on..... tell us where you heard that ! Maybe you should listen more carefully. Maybe the people in Pickens County have had enough of HOPE AND CHANGE !

That is not the truth.....find out the facts in the Ryan Plan. And we are back playing the race card.....why is Obama always called a 'black man' anyway? Why not 'bu-racial'? Did the bi-racial citizens fight hard about 15-years ago to be recongnized as such?

Actually Gretchen the President has offered budget proposals every year, the obstructionists in the GOP simply refuse to honestly deal with Democrats on the budget process. Romney Hood and his Merry Millionaires would be a disaster for the United Sates.Paul Ryan is a horrible choice for VP and will help to contribute to the GOPers continued campaign tail-spin into defeat in November.

That's right Gretchen. The Dem's always want to hear 'exactly' how the Republicans are 'propose' to do something so they can run with their idea since they have no clue.

Actually that was a Republican fake bill based off a distorted view of what the President proposed in his budget that got no votes in Congress. The President can't bring his budget before Congress because he has no Constitutional ability to do so.

So Gretchen you then admit you were lying when you wrote that the President hasn't put forth a budget, right?

I am so tired of hearing about Romney's wealth. Let's look at just the top 10 wealthiest in American List......I 'think" they are all Democrats. Oh! And the Hollywood folks that get paid millions for 'nothing'.....could it be 80% Democrat's. Gosh and remember John Edwards, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and "the Kennedys". Stop beating a dead horse.

Sami, nothing wrong with being wealthy. Something wrong with using your wealth and power to take advantage of laws you are planning to implement. Romney/Ryan want to reduce max tax rate from 35% to 25%. Great. So Mitt has used loopholes to fund his IRA at $150M. How? How much are you legally allowed to put into your tax-free IRA?
There is a very good reason Mitt does not want to release his tax returns for several years despite the fact that every other candidate has done so for decades. He has proven how tax loopholes and tax cuts and other advantages only available to the wealthiest people do not in fact "create jobs", they result in money being sheltered abroad. Legal? Probably. Job creating? No way! Enhancing the difference between wealthy and middle class? Absolutely. They are asking us to give our approval, against our own best interests.
I would rather the government spend even more money building up America, paying people who want to work building things, so they can buy things which put more people to work. In fact, that was the focus of Ronald Reagan's homily about spending money locally. Squirreling away your wealth abroad does no good for society. Teabaggers are not devoted to the country, they are devoted to the preservation of offshore accounts.

Sounds like someone here has memorized all of the media matters talking points. I have to wonder why people criticize oil. Affordable and plentiful oil is the key to an individual's and a country's economic freedom and prosperity. Yet, put the prefix "BIG" in front of it and it can now be demonized. Maybe we can put the word BIG in front of liberal to demonize liberals. Wait, that would'nt work. If I say BIG liberal someone might think I'm talking about a fat liberal like Chris Matthews. Maybe if we just substitute Liberal for Stupid? Similar meaning anyway. "Big" Stupid., I like it. I now have a way of demonizing liberals thanks to you Richard.

and here's ducktor john's trademark method of avoiding the question - just misdirect the topic with insults to avoid answering up to the truth

@Gretchen: '...IS that why SOLYNDRA went BANKRUPT...'

FYI
[CLIP] The DOE loan program that funded Solyndra was actually started by President Bush in 2005. It was intended to provide government support for "innovative" technologies. Lawmakers set aside $10 billion to cover any losses from $26 billion [investment] in loans.

Solyndra could potentially cost the government $529 million. And Beacon, a power storage company that also went bankrupt, cost the government $12 million.
So even if Solyndra ends up costing the full $529 million, there's still nearly $9.5 billion available should other loans go belly up.

Congress thought there would be more failures: Two companies have declared bankruptcy under the loan program so far, out of the 33 projects funded. Congress was expecting more. [END CLIP] http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/06/technology/solyndra/index.htm

SO
the $529M (chump change) solyndre loss is a 2% of a $26B investment in alternate energy (33 projects) and 5% of set aside to cover losses...is there any information on all 33 projects...

SOSO...other than providing fodder for the GOP crap mill...solyndra is a relative non issue...

Ah, the seven degrees from George Bush game. I love it Stanley. You have a unique way of never finding democrats to blame.....

@dr. John: '... never finding democrats to blame...

not looking to 'never' blame DEMs or GOPs...just looking for the truth...if i misstated solyndra facts pls correct with references...

Stanley,
As you know stanley, just over the last 12 days, you have blamed Reagan for the 1%-99%? "problem", the GOP's directly/indirectly for the Sikh temple shootings, the recent recession, the great depression. You have blamed REP's as the root of southern racism (not the real culprit Southern Democrats) and have not blamed Dems at all. So lets modify your statement from "not looking to never blame DEMS or REPS" to "always looking to blame REPS and never looking to blame DEMS" . As to Solyndra, I disagree with subsidizing any private business sector. Yes, even Oil. This is essentially crony capitalism or picking winners by not picking the losers. If there is a business out there that has a good product that citizens think will improve their lives, they will buy it with their own money. People do not always use price as a deciding factor but tend to buy things that add value to their lives. So subsidizing something to bring down production cost to make a product more affordable (Green energy) or offering tax breaks to give incentive to the consumer (mortgage interest, chevy volt/electric car) only guarantees that a business will benefit not the people. That is why many americans buy i-pads for example instead of one of the many off brand tablets with similar features, they see added benefit to themselves. A very good PBS series was aired in the 70's called "Free to Choose" with Milton Freidman. Good discussions too.
http://miltonfriedman.blogspot.com/

Just yesterday I was walking around a lake here in SC and found several men fishing. After observing my 1st loop around I decided on my second loop a little 'political' fun. As the men were leaving their fishing spots I asked if they were Dem/Rep....why? They all left gargace behind!! All were Democrat's. So sit on your high horse and preach to me about the enviroment but it truly does start in your own back yard. This is exactly what people have also been complaing about at RiverBank....Republicans are left to clean up everything it seems to me not the other way around.

SAMI ... it's the same thing with the OCCUPY group compared to the TEA PARTY. When the TEA PARTY had their big rally in DC there was NO MESS left behind. When the OCCUPY group is somewhere all we see is FILTH ! Makes you wonder what kind of environmentalists they are, eh ?

@Dr. John: '... you have blamed Reagan for the 1%-99%? "problem"...the Sikh temple shootings, the recent recession...etcETC,

sigh, lets get to real issue...whether/not stanley blames the T-GOPs is not an issue...ie, i am not the issue...but;

what you see as blame, i see as FYI-ing the facts...

granted it's my opine and facts as i see them...so rather than the distraction of 'stanley blaming T-GOPs'...just state your counter points...

IF it is important to you to say; 'stanley blames the GOPs'...i will agree, so we can now move on to the issues...

ie/eg

do you disagree the 1%:99% started with RR...my opine based on:

RR, inaugurated jan1981

[CLIP] 1979 to 2007, the income share of the top 1% of U.S. households more than doubled, to over 17% of total U.S. income...the income share of the bottom 80% dropped from 57% to 48% of total income...this calls attention to the dramatic increase of incomes for those at the very top—and the stagnation of incomes for the majority. [end clip]
http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2011/1111reuss.html

1997 to 2007: charts show sharp wealth increase for the 1% and stagnant to decrease for the 99%. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speedup-americans-working-harder-charts

if you want to distract from the issue with "stanley blames GOP" ...fine with me...but it begs the question...OTOH

any data (counter points) welcome...it may lead to a more meaningful discussion.

PS
re: Milton Freidman. Good discussions too. [drj say]

agree. milton's quuotes:

"The most important single central fact about a free market is that no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit." [mf]
OPINE: so guess GOP policies are not free market policies as we had the 1%:99% divide in 1929 qand again in 2008...BOTH parties did NOT benefit

"Governments never learn. Only people learn." [mf]
OPINE: goverments ARE PEOPLE...

accepted experts need to be questioned...as do we all.

So Stanley,

You agree that your opinion is to blame the GOP? Do you care to comment on my "state of soc. security or Medicare stability" comment and who is to blame for that problem. More importantly, do you care to comment on the best plan to fix it? As to your Milton F. Comments... The two parties he discusses are not political parties but two individual parties. His point is demonstrated by this example . Let's say I have $3 and I want to buy a gallon of milk. A supermarket manager has a gallon of milk wishes to sell it for $3. If we both agree to the transaction then both parties benefit. This satisfies the goals of each party. I can tell you did not really listen to the series, only look for possible talking points. Milton was a brilliant man yet simple in his premises.

Gretchen, you took the words right out of my mouth! These BIG liberal dems just make me shake my head in disbelief with what they say . . . and think they are so smart. Sort of like their "leader" Obama. I am so looking forward to his concession speech on November 6th. It can't happen soon enough.

@Dr. John: '...You agree that your opinion is to blame the GOP?...'

my opine is my opine, nothing more...it's not to blame but, by FYI-ing...to seek/determine the truth...
i thought by agreeing w/ you we could move on to the real issues (stanley is NOT the issue)...why do you continue to beg the questions and make me the issue...address the facts not stanley.

i agree to any of yo opines relative to me...so that we can move on and discuss real issues and facts.

re: Do you care to comment on my "state of soc. security or Medicare stability"
sorry not sure just what your position is on SS and medicare...if you want to restate, i will offer my opine and facts as i see them.

re: Milton F. Comments

MF was discussing, opining on, free market bs not individuals...your incorrect opine limits his philosophy to individuals...by making it an individual issue you diminish MF...surely this is not your intent.

If I do not understand Milton F then why don't you explain the concept do self interest as talked about in his video series. Milton never framed things in political parties with his theories only individual parties both persuing their own self interst.

@Dr. John: '...Milton never framed things in political parties ...'

you are more familiar w/ MF than i...do agree he talked of 'parties'...not specifically to political parties...parties as in societies...not as you imply to the individual...
as said you more familiar w/MF so any info that singular vice plural appreciated...

BTW MF's free market, works well when everybody is motivated by the common good...and no one is motivated by greed...nirvana/heaven...

MF never advocated today's GOP, rip off, free market...he didn't envision people making money ripping other people off...and a unregulated wall street gaming the system...eg;

packaging sub prime mortgages and selling them as AAA bonds...banks using their depositors' money to buy these worthless AAA bonds...

re: explain the concept do self interest as talked about in his video series.

how does your understanding MF relate to my explaining MF's self interest opines...i really don't know what are asking or how it relates to this discussion...seems like another distraction...actually;

not sure how any of our discussion relates to, 'How do you think the pick [PR] will affect the November election vs. President Barrack Obama.'

Stanley,
You are the one that suggested that I did not understand Milton F. I simply wanted you to explain how you thought your interpretation was more accurate. I brought up the concept as it related to Solyndra, which was discussed earlier. I explained the concept of free markets and how when anybody in a free market follows their "self interest" and obeys the law, they are improving the lives of others as an indirect result. My comments regarding Medicare and SS are also posted earlier and discuss the grim reality that our current trajectory will necessitate the end of these programs, or the end of any other major spending program such as education and defense just to keep our promises to the elderly. Medicare and SS will bankrupt this country in less than 20 years, Paul Ryan has a bold proposal to address this problem. Yet we attack him as if he created the problem. What are the Dem solutions to this problem? There is not enough revenue in the "top 1%" to confiscate to fund it. There is not enough revenue to fund it if you were to confiscate 50% of all the wealth of every working citizen at the rate it is costing us. What is your bold solution Stanley, besides the tired blame game you play....

@Dr. John

continuing the tittat, yousay/hesay discussion, re 'stanley blaming' and 'MF's opine' is a counter productive waste...and;

so that we can address relevant issues: i agree with whatever you said/say on this irrelevance...moving on:

MEDICARE
the first step to change the medicare trajectory was/is BO-care (ACA)...the next step is universal health care (single payer plan)...which BTW;
[CLIP] 'other advanced, Western countries [all with universal care] enjoy better outcomes even though they pay a third less.' http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/07/12/bickering-over-affordable-care-act-gets-us-nowhere

SOCIAL SECURITY
if T-GOPs would make their JOB#1 fixing SS vice making BO a one 'termer'...there are numerous simple fixes that could be enacted...eg;
[CLIP] '...easy way to ensure the program’s long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits. Payroll taxes that finance Social Security are capped...Eliminating that cap would allow Social Security to pay full benefits for the next 75 years, according to a Congressional Research Service report.

RYAN's BOLD PROPASAL
what are details of his bold proposal..

GENERAL
the 'grim reality' is T-GOPs want to return to those thrilling days of 1929 and 2008...the 'grim reality' is their priorities are to beat BO and win elections...and NOT the common good and general welfare of our country...

JOIN THE CLUB Sami ... it appears most of the responders here just copy and paste DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINTS, because they all say the same thing. Have you ever noticed that most of the time if you ask a DEM "what has Obama done that is so good".... they are hard pressed to respond without referring to a DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINT. Have a good one ... and remember ... if you go fishing... pick up the garbage the DEMS leave behind. haha

@Gretchen: '...if you go fishing... pick up the garbage the DEMS leave behind. haha
the DEMs have picked up the garbage the GOPs left behind after 1929 and 2008...and GOPs want to repeat policies that produced the 1929/2008 garbage...

re: "what has Obama done that is so good"...[G]

as repeated ad nauseam...google BO accomplishments...quick summary:

1. 2008 losing jobs, trending down v 2012 gaining jobs, trending up...

2. DJI 2008 at around 7000 v 2012 at around 12,000.

hahaha

@Sami: 'The Senate Democrats’ health bill cuts Medicare by a whopping $463 billion [...] bringing the grand total to a staggering $523.5 billion to fund a new entitlement.

not sure the reason for posting these figs...but thanks...assume the figs are from: http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=177157

it is difficult to determine how these cuts and the new entitlement effect an individual's health care cost and the country's the deficit...as mostl figs are estimates based on assumptions...it is difficult to draw any meaning conclusions.

the following CLIPS provide some insights to the ACA effects on our health care:

[CLIP] Right now, most Americans want the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, even though they question the act itself.

[CLIP] With or without the Affordable Care Act, the economics of healthcare in the U.S. remain broken. We pay 16-18 percent of our national wealth on healthcare, compared to 10-12 percent of GDP spent by other advanced, Western countries. Many of these other countries actually enjoy better outcomes (how long people live and how healthy they are) even though they pay a third less.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/07/12/bickering-over-affordable-care-act-gets-us-nowhere

ACA is a step toward universal health care which is a plus...the CLIP indicates other advanced western countries (all have universal care) pay less for better outcomes...

Your milking a dead cow, spami - your calling the end of the abusive Medicare (dis)Advantage program to be itself a cut; it's $202.3 billion that will be *saved* by that cut, however, and which makes all the abusive insurance companies that were getting and sitting on that money so upset. That program alone is responsible for a 12% increase to all of Medicare costs in the last four years - ....you must be some insurance salesman.

All the figures you cite are reductions by tackling abuse. Medicare is responsible for over 50% of the payments received by doctors and hospitals, even though it only represents less than 20% of the population. That's because those doctors and hospitals are abusing it, stealing taxpayer money to fund their yachts. And well all know that all you've done is copy/paste from some trolling handbook, spami. Go find another place to litter

@reg
no....lol, no salesman! Just an American citizen voicing (littering) my rights. Contrary to Dem's beliefs, they are not the only ones with that right.

quite true, spami - here in America, even bold-faced liars (dumb enough to attempt posting data that anyone with half a brain can quickly disprove) like yourself are free to post comments. Doing it for a professional trade, though - like you're apparently doing - is denying this publication the costs of advertisement they'd ordinarily charge you, though.

Richard ... that is a bunch of GARBAGE. The GOP tries to help the veterans a lot more than the DEMS. Medicare is going BROKE ...something has to be done to FIX IT. You have your head in the sand. The country has gone down hill since Obama was elected. When BUSH left office, unemployment was 4.7%, gas cost $2.26 a gallon and 17 million Americans were on food stamps. Almost 4 years later under Obama, unemployment is at a record 8.3%, gas costs $4.00 a gallon and 43 million Americans are on food stamps. WE HAVE TO STOP THE SPENDING ! ! PERIOD ! ! !

um, cretin, how has the GOP tried to help veterans? In the Ryan budget, $11 billion in vets benefits get chopped.

And now you're using made-up figures? Like you think no one knows how to check? *How desperate can you be?* Unemployment when Bush left office: 7.8 Gas costs when Bush left office - $2.63 (following an all-time high of $4.12 under his term, and gas was only $1.86 when he came in....) - Food Stamps when Bush left office 31.7 million (a 14.7 million increase between 2004 and 2008, which is an all-time record of new recipients in a single term); also, a surge in Food Stamp participation comes from the new Disaster SNAP format - Alabama alone had a 30+% increase in 2011. You people need to stop just typing away from the troll books you were given, and maybe should try to verify those claims to keep from embarrassing yourselves over and over again.

@Gretchen: ! ! PERIOD ! ! !

facts vice VITRIOL make for a better discussion...back up references for your vitriolic opinions/comments might convince people GOPs polices work...

eg, were GOP policies responsible for 1929/2008...are MR/PR policies different from the 1929/2008 policies...if so how..

re: STOP THE SPENDING

spending (aka investment) required for short term fix...eg, investment in the automobile industry...saved the industry; saved maybe a million jobs; and created jobs...

spending cut results: [CLIP] the public sector [teachers, police, firemen] LOST 648,000 JOBSs…from 2009 to July 2012. http://mollysmiddleamerica.blogspot.com/2012/08/private-govt-jobs-gained-lost-obama.html

You have no facts, DuiA - none. You're typing up made-up figures from some troll book. I've already disproven the other garbage that you and cretin are spewing up on this page, and now for your latest of costs we are supposed to incur under ACA. Let's see, are you one of the tens of millions who received a refund from your insurance company this year, since ACA now makes those companies do that to keep them from robbing you blind? Are you hoping we don't know that insurance costs for households making less than $88K/year are now decreased? Are you one of those GopOONS who thinks we don't know how you're twisting the national debt figures, actually adding in our positive assets in reserve we already have to that debt figure? ("Well, let's see....we'll have to spend that money someday, right? so let's tell dumb folks that it's DEBT! Yeah! They'll fall for it!!") Go back to china or north korea, you plutocratic communist.

@DA: '...THE FACTS...'

ditto my comments to gretchen...'facts vice VITRIOL make for a better discussion...back up references for your vitriolic, hyperbolic, opinions/comments might convince people GOPs polices work...

your hyperbole:

*unemployment considerably higher than when GWBush left office
*and trillions more in debt than back then
*Foreclosure rate out of the roof,
*staggering gas and food prices,
*etc
*costs we taxpayers will incur with Obamacare

and the references/comparisons for your hyperbole are???

You started it with your pseudo-stat posting, DuiA - post your sources, then. Put up or shut up. And don't think we're going to fall for your newsmax/Scaife/World Nut Daily sources, either.