Haley's Medicaid Rejection 'Baffles' Democrats, Health Experts
But they say they are 'not surprised' by the S.C. Republican governor.
In response to the Supreme Court’s recent decision to allow states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act, at least 15 governors have voiced their opposition. Gov. Nikki Haley logged on Facebook to make known her stance against the expansion.
She wrote: “South Carolina will NOT expand Medicaid, or participate in any health exchanges. We will not support Pres. Obama's tax increase or job killing agenda. I WILL do everything I can to get Mitt Romney elected and work to strengthen our Senate so that we can repeal this unAmerican policy aimed at moving our country in the wrong direction.”
South Carolina Democrats and industry professionals are concerned — but not surprised.
“If George Bush hated black people, then Nikki Haley hates poor people,” said outgoing S.C. Rep. Boyd Brown, D-Fairfield. “It makes me sick.”
Brown said that the politicians that often cite Christian morals and principles are the ones cutting funding to the poor people who need it most.
"I can't think of anything further unChristian than cutting funding to the people who need it," he added.
“It’d do her some good to see exactly what Medicaid does. It baffles me that she’s against it, but no, I’m not surprised."
Dick Harpootlian, chairman of the S.C. Democratic Party, said: “This is a preening politician’s publicity stunt and is typical with Nikki Haley. This is petty and foolish and is about Haley trying to get a job in D.C.”
Harpootlian said he thinks the governor is putting politics before the people of South Carolina.
“She’s using the misery of the people of South Carolina as a springboard to get to Romney,” he said.
Health care economist consultant Lynn Bailey of local firm Lynn Bailey Associates said she, too, anticipated Haley’s reaction.
“Are we surprised that our governor would throw the poorest of the poor under the bus?” she asked. “Not at all.”
Bailey said that if the legislature follows through with opting out of the program, the people who will hurt the most are poor people who do not currently fall into one of the Medicaid categories.
“Is that the kind of state we want? No, but it’s the kind we get.”
The combination federal-state program expansion extends Medicaid enrollment eligibility to those under 65 at or below 133 percent of the federal poverty line. Coverage would include those adults making about $15,000 or less per year, or about $31,000 or less for a family of four, according to federal poverty guidelines.
Federal law requires state Medicaid programs cover low-income mothers, children and pregnant woman as defined by federal guidelines. States may choose to extend service to the low income elderly or people with disabilities.
The first three years of the expansion, beginning 2014, would be fully funded by federal dollars with at least 90 percent covered federally each year thereafter. This would insure anywhere from 335,000 to more than 500,000 South Carolina residents and provide a 56 percent reduction in the total number of uninsured adults.
Tony Keck, S.C. director of Medicaid, said an expansion of coverage is not what the state needs. Keck is also the director of the S.C. Department of Health and Human Services, as chosen by Haley in January 2011.
“What we’re saying is as long as the Medicaid system is as broken as it is, it doesn’t make sense to expand to coverage,” he said. “The governor and I work on those policies together, so you know, that’s how we feel about it.”
Keck said that instead of taking on new beneficiaries, S.C. Medicaid should work to enroll those eligible under current state program requirements.
“We share the goal of getting everyone healthy, but you gotta pay for it. We wanna make sure that we fix the [current] healthcare system before we dive in and try to fix a system that hasn’t produced great results,” he said. “The money has to come from somewhere.”
According to a detailed report by the Kaiser Family Foundation, the Medicaid expansion would require a 3.6 to 4.7 percent increase, or an extra $470 million to $615 million, in Medicaid spending from 2014 to 2019. In 2010, federal and state spending on Medicaid totaled more than $5.1 billion. South Carolina paid about 20% of that bill, or about $1.1 billion.
Graph and statistical information in this article were provided, with permission, by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a non-profit foundation dedicated to health care information and analysis.
Robert Kelly
7:17 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
So if I understand this correctly, Haley's plan is to deny coverage to as many elderly and poor people as possible because her director of the state Medicaid has not done a good job so far, and then make it as difficult as possible for those same people to vote, by requiring people who are least likely to own, or to be able to drive, automobiles to go to the DMV to get a card they do not need for anything else. You have to admit, evil genius is a wondrous thing to behold!
BMom
10:48 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Word Mr Kelly! Red-iculous
Ken
9:40 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Wise up people, the republicans care only about helping the rich and lining their own pockets with money. They will never do anything to actually benefit anyone but themselves and the 1%.
Patriot969
6:40 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
You're right. Them old nasty republicans out there creating jobs are just so evil. How dare they actually keep the money they earn! We need them poor people to create some more jobs!
Did you get your opinion directly from moveon.org or did you come up with that broad generalization all by your wittle self? I'm guessing your dear leader hasn't found a job for you yet?
JoSCh
7:41 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I've always felt that job creation doesn't really count when the jobs created are filled by Chinese preteens. I'm "liberal" that way I guess, loving America and Americans instead of an authoritarian ideology that I'm too stupid to know is using me.
harry
7:09 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
GET OF THAT TIRED HORSE..... haley know that every gov program starts with a lot of fed money....that gets less and less-those cost would be outrageous. do you iunderstand the the lobster in the cold,then warm and cozy water. then it gets boiling and too late. we don't have the money.
JoSCh
7:41 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
If the reason people living in the richest country in the history of Earth aren't able to access health care is because "we don't have the money" while we're outspending the next 20 countries in the world annually on military hardware then America has already fallen to the evil, don't you think?
Actually I know you don't. Modern Republican serfs are the most indoctrinated group of people since WWII.
BMom
10:55 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
I am continually astounded at how many working class people align themselves with the republican platform and their outdated, recklessly abated stand on Healthcare (aka Healthcare Crisis) in the USA.
reg
3:07 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
excuse me, Mr. so-called "patriot" - *where are these jobs that republicans created?* Where? Go on....we're waiting.... Shoot, you know why we have so much unemployment in this state? 89.8% of all the unemployment in our state is the result of state and county government layoffs. Nothing else. Layoffs from the republicans in charge of the governor's office, the state house and the state senate for the past 15 years, who continually chopped away at the budget with tax breaks for their donors and their friends.
darryl
9:56 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
It scares me that some of the people with comments here actually vote. Where do you think the money comes from to cover these folks. I agree that something needs to be done to cover them. However, first let's fix what we have then find a way to cover them without borrowing money from China or raising taxes. The point is the Federal money coming in to cover the folks is tax money or borrowed! Why don't you just work for free and donate your money to the governement.
JoSCh
12:34 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Whatever you do, don't find out any facts or process a thought before posting. Just make sure you're hysterical and implying that people that don't agree with your strict ideology are stupid. Way to go dittohead.
ChrisjIII
4:17 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
That's absolutely assinine. Why wait to fix something that's been broken for years before getting poor people the help that they need now? Haley is as incompetent as they come and we'll be so much better off when she's gone. The feds will come in and setup the exchanges anyway and the state will have no iuput. So this nonsense and saberrattling is just that nonsense.What sane person passes up the chance to get 100% federal funding for a program that helps the poorest people in the state? I sure hope that the people in the legislature hear it loud and clear from their constituients if they let this foolishness go on.
Suzanne Riojas
10:02 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
As for showing ID when voting, Indiana has made it madditory too. It's because there was too much voter fraud going on. Secondly I agree with darryl, where do you think all this money will come from? If you work you have to have coverage and if you don't you pay a 'fine'. I'm sure if someone is hospitalized for a week that $750 fine won't cover the bill. Dumbocrats drink too much of the kool-aid.
reg
11:48 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Yes, Suzanne - you have to show an ID in Indiana. But that ID can be your license, your medicare card, your student ID, your library card or practically anything else that can identify you when you show up to vote. And if you don't have an ID when you come to the polls, you can still vote -they verify your signature on the spot with voter registration records. Only in South Carolina are they trying to push this state-issued photo ID garbage - and because they don't want people to vote them out of office. And where is the money coming from, you GOPbots keep asking - but where were you when the state chopped its Medicaid budget over the last few years? If that hadn't been done, we wouldn't be in this boat we're in now. I have to say it - can't hold it back anymore - all of you Haley supporters and GOP voters are supporting Marxian economics and oligarchal govt rule. You're supporting the same garbage operated by the governments of China and North Korea.
SCYankee1865
1:00 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
What's "madditory?" Riojas? Are you eligible even to vote?
Suzanne Riojas
2:41 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I'm so happy to see that Indiana isn't the only state that has proof readers. and yes, I DO vote. I bet I've been voting longer than you have been a speck on this planet 1865.
Peter Specht
4:17 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
That is a lie Suzanne. Voter fraud is a non issue in the states.Very very very small numbers and many many places none at all. stop being a party cheerleader and start doing some research. Your country is worth it.
JoSCh
4:35 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
"stop being a party cheerleader and start doing some research. Your country is worth it."
Bravo. Likely falling on deaf ears, but well said.
Eleanor
4:52 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The State Elections Commission has not found any voter impersonation fraud in SC. So why spend all this money for a problem that doesn't exist? -- that is, unless it is an attempt to keep the poor and minorities from voting?
Laura
11:03 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I agree that the money to cover the health care comes from the people. But the goverment collects our taxes and chooses to spend it on outrages trips, expensive meals, and other items that most americans could not afford. So if we have this new health care, I don't mind paying for it as long as the money goes where it should and not into the pockets of the politicians. They (state and goverment officials) need to make cuts in their spending then we will not be in such a bad situation!
reg
11:50 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Tell that to Tim Scott. He's using his office budget to pay him per mile he drives to and from DC - over $3,000 in 2011. No other congressman in our state is doing that.
harry
7:15 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
there is no money----dahh-----40 cents of every dollar is borrowed from china and your kids and grandkids fuure. libs are so generous with others money, even their own kids,grands and great grands. selfish as usual.
Knot a Lib
11:44 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Laura, It's cow's like you that keep the cattle herds growing.........As you're led to slaughter. WHAT A PUSHOVER!!..lol
reg
3:11 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
apparently, harry, you're one of the many who's been misled about what national debt means. This "debt" (aka treasury bonds bought by China) stems from Republicans removing the protective trade duties on imported goods - our workers go out of work, and can't even afford the cheap, poor products that now litter the shelves in our stores. And where does all this "debt" come from? Reagan, Bush I and Bush II
stanley seigler
11:24 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
re: 'According to a detailed report by the Kaiser Family Foundation [KFF]'
KFF Report Executive Summary
[CLIP] Medicaid expansions will significantly increase coverage and reduce the number of uninsured
The federal government will pay a very high share of new Medicaid costs in all states
Increases in state spending are small compared to increases in coverage and federal revenues and relative to what states would have spent if reform had not been enacted
[end clip]
SC gov cuts off nose (and sucks up to mitt) to spite SC's face...buttbut SC will eventually accept fed funds (opt in)...sad with all the real work (job/educational programs) needed...GOPs choose to dance the kabuki.
BTW as all know GOPs opposed social security, medicare, and now oppose any/all BO's programs...sad their only program is to BLOC BO...sadder still (for them) they will fail to block BO...BO by a landslide...
@Suzanne Riojas: "...there was too much voter fraud going on..."
really...examples please...there is no voter fraud at the ballot box; which dumb-a, useless, 'kock bros voterID' laws address...
Knot a Lib
12:00 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Blah, blah, blah, Quit making excuses and start making you're own money. Legally, that is as I bet most of you're cousins make license plates at the moment. And if you do make you're own living then it shows what a pushover you really are after a dumb@ss comment like that! LOL
John Moroz Sr.
11:26 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Confusing a Democrat is not difficult. Spending no more than you make, is enough to send a dems head spinning.
To attack her faith over govt. spending is unfair. Charity and giving is not done at the threat of a gun. (IRS).
JoSCh
12:32 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Ad hominem attacks are funniest when the person using them doesn't understand punctuation. You didn't need to use a comma there. The rest of your post indicates that you are drunk before noon on a Thursday. Get help.
Keep the Faith
12:57 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I must say, I am deeply concerned over politicians assuming that what THEY are comfortable with, we ALL are comfortable with. At it's core, faith of any type has a widespread understanding of those less fortunate and a heart felt need to help. We can kid ourselves into thinking that an 'executive' descision is best for all, but it never is. I do not believe any of the politicians we have voted into office on a state or federal level has EVER had the opportunity to go hungry. They have not suffered the loss of their home, a career. Nor have they come to beg for a meal or money to put gas in a borrowed vehicle in order to hunt a job, housing or food. How can you, in good conscience, vote yay or nay on a bill that may mean life or death for a human being? These desicions should be left up to the people. ALL of us. And for Lord's sake, give someone less fortunate a ride to the voting polls!
reg
2:56 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Very objective observation. Thanks for sharing -
Jason A. Trommetter
2:24 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Haley hasn't said she was going to reduce Medicaid funding, she just said she wasn't going to accept temporary federal funds to expand state Medicaid funding. It's a smart thing to do, because eventually the federal money will run out and SC will have to reduce Medicaid funding or increase taxes.
reg
2:54 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
it doesn't have to increase taxes - it just needs to restore taxes that were once present, but that got replaced by "fees". Like vehicle tax, for example - buy a $5,000 used car, pay $300 in taxes. Buy a $50,000 brand new Lexus, pay $300 in taxes. Buy a $500,000 yacht ,or a $1.25 million personal jet, pay $300 in taxes. Correct that garbage that only favors wealth and we wouldn't be in this sinking boat right now.
Suzella
2:28 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Haley is an idiot and she proves that almost daily. Ditto for her Republican Southern governor counterparts. It is no surprise our nation's poorest states are the ones most against "Obama care." We are also the most likely to benefit.
Patriot969
6:32 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
She's done more for this state than Maobama has. Did you know there is a state you would just love! It's packed full of your ilk. If you hurry, you may be able to get on the state dole before it goes broke! Need help packing?
reg
3:13 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Yeah, she's done plenty, "patriot" - she cut over 15,000 jobs in the state. Teachers, police, firefighters....
mm3264
3:15 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
If there is a God like the Christian right believes, they will all end up in hell.
harry
7:19 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
sickoo
bargeman
4:45 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Where does the Bible state that the people who work and that care of their families and ,take care of their church members in time of need to; pay for people who do not take the responsability to provide for themselves and their families.The poor that the bible talks about are the ones whos husbands or parents have died and not to pick the fields clean so they can gather food to eat. It does not say to keep welfare,drug addicts and shiftless people getting freebees from us who work. The bible does say that if you do not work you do not eat. So all you socialist play the Christain card to make us give to evil doings.
Hunter
5:33 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I certainly hope that bargeman never gets so sick which makes earning money impossible, that no member of his family gets really sick, or never loses health insurance. I hope bargeman never misses so many mortgage payments that his house is foreclosed. I wonder if bargeman's church reads a Bible that omits the parts about visiting the sick and those in prison, clothing the poor, and welcoming the stranger.
stanley seigler
7:12 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
@bargeman: "...Where does the Bible state...etc... The poor that the bible talks about are the ones whos husbands or parents have died...
not a student of the Bible...but am very impressed how some people know what the Bible says...so perhaps bargeman can help...where is the biblical explanation of who the poor are...who are the little children of whom Jesus speaks...
does the Bible address tax breaks/loopholes (aka corporate welfare)...as GOPs give to rich folks and big oil-etal are they (rich folks) the biblical poor of whom bargeman's bible speaks...
also what does the Bible say about..."sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor"...
oh/and what does the Bible say about who should pay for a Fair and Appropriate Public Education (FAPE)...should we provide a FAPE for children of those who do not take the responsibility to provide for themselves and their families.
ohoh/and should we fund health care for those 'who do not take the responsibility to provide for themselves and their families'...or just let them die...you think ovens more humane...tough love.
Heather
5:47 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
WAKE UP SC, the GOP wants SC citizens ignorant, underpaid and our children to be used as pawns in unjust wars!
Patriot969
6:28 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Is that so? Tell me then 'ole wise one: how many jobs do poor people create again? One day when you get out into the real world you'll see just how ignorant your comment is. Unless of course you're one of those who are terminally liberal.
Gail Wilhelm
6:08 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Let's see if I've got this correct. The Republicans are anti-gay, anti-women, anti-minorities, anti-poor, anti-immigrant, anti-public education, anti-choice, anti-minimum wage and now anti-universal voting rights. Ya think they are driven by anything but greed and exclusion. I guess being a Republican is a very exclusive club. Decidedly un-American.
Patriot969
6:23 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Ahhh, another graduate of the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory. Heger would be proud.
Don't choke on that fruity Koolaid.
Patriot969
6:20 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Premium costs are going up and the quality of care is going down. NOTHING gets cheaper and nothing improves whenever the government gets involved. But hey, the stupid don't know they're stupid.
JoSCh
7:36 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Premiums have been going up faster than inflation for decades. Lots of things improve when the government gets involved. Thats the point of government.
If you're anti government there are places you can go, and I suggest you do before you have your McVeigh moment.
stanley seigler
10:45 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
@Patriot969: "Premium costs are going up and the quality of care is going down."
all countries with universal health care (single payer plans) are ranked, by WHO, higher than USA in quality of care...USA cost are the highest...and;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/insurance-through-work
[CLIPS] 'According to the independent and non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, people who get coverage through their employer today will likely see lower premiums.
'Reform will lower premiums by reducing administrative costs, increasing competition between insurance companies and creating a larger pool of insured Americans.
'And remember, the cost of doing nothing is high. In ten years, health care spending for each employee at an average big company will be $28,530.' [end clips]
re: 'But hey, the stupid don't know they're stupid.'
for sure as they (GOPs) want to want to repeal BO-care...and their replacement plan is ?????...well they do have a plan. it insures 3-4 million...BO-care insures 30-40 million....
also re stupid...didnt someone say it's repeating the same thing expecting different results...GOPs want to repeat 1929 and 2008 policies expecting different results...
Heather
12:37 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Patriot969 I am a fifty year old woman that's survived a rare cancer, SARCOMA. I'm 4'10 and I weigh 87 lbs. My mom and dad have both passed from cancer. I was a care giver to my father who passed when I was eighteen. I had to miss school to help care for him. I lost my mother to breast cancer in Nov. '07. My sister works for DSS and she's a survivor of melanoma. I KNOW what I'm talking about. I've seen and dealt with health care and seen enough illness to last me the rest of my days. And if you come back with the assumption that I'm on disability I'm not because I have too much PRIDE to ask a soul for a nickle!
Eleanor
8:27 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
South Carolina will pay increased taxes for the Medicaid expansion, whether any of it goes to the 342,000 uninsured poor in SC. The expansion is being paid for with Federal taxes. Since we have no choice about paying for the Medicaid expansion, why not let poor SC citizens have coverage.
Currently, when the uninsured go to a hospital, a lot of their cost is paid by our tax money and higher costs on the insured. Under the new law, that will change. Since there will be more insured (including Medicaid), hospitals will be paid by insurance (including Medicaid). If SC doesn't increased the population being covered by Medicaid, hospital reimbursement will suffer greatly. Some may even have to close their doors.
Haley should consider the unintended consequences of her ill-advised reaction.
JoSCh
8:46 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Since I don't believe Haley or her handlers, advisors, or party overseers are stupid or incompetent the most logical conclusion is that they did consider the consequences and they wouldn't be unintended.
A jaded person might say that the weak can't toil in "right to work" factories, therefore they have diminished value.
Robert Kelly
8:34 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
I think I have had an epiphany! Like the rest of you I thought Patriot969 was simply an insufferable, mean-spirited, Teabagger. Now I realize he/she is simply a left-leaning liberal, posing as a right wing excuse for a human being in order to discredit the GOP. Good disguise Pat!
stanley seigler
11:06 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
FYI 1 of 3
ok, i know MJ is a bleeding heart rag...but the following are facts...not MJ opine (ok so there is some opine)...anyway believe what they want.
Mother Jones listed 10 ways Obama's signature health care law will impact the healthy and sick, young and old, rich and poor:
1) Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime coverage limits on your insurance. Never again will you face the risk of getting really sick and then, a few months in, having your insurer tell you, "Sorry, you've 'run out' of coverage." Almost everyone I've met knows someone who had insurance but got really, really sick (or had a kid get really sick) and ran into a lifetime cap.
2) If you don't know someone who has run into a lifetime cap, you probably know someone who has run into an annual cap. The use of these will be sharply limited. (They'll be eliminated entirely in 2014.)
3) Insurers can no longer tell kids with preexisting conditions that they'll insure them "except for" the preexisting condition. That's called preexisting condition exclusion, and it's out the window.
4) A special, temporary program will help adults with preexisting conditions get coverage. It expires in 2014, when the health insurance exchanges—basically big "pools" of businesses and individuals—come on-line. That's when all insurers will have to cover everyone, preexisting condition or not.
1/3 to be contd...see next post
stanley seigler
11:10 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
10 Things You Get Now That Obamacare Survived By Andy Kroll and Nick Baumann Thu Jun. 28, 2012
5) Insurance companies can't drop you when you get sick, either—this plan means the end of "rescissions."
6) You can stay on your parents' insurance until you're 26.
7) Seniors get $250 towards closing the "doughnut hole" in their prescription drug coverage. Currently, prescription drug coverage ends once you've spent $2,700 on drugs and it doesn't kick in again until you've spent nearly $6,200. James Ridgeway wrote about the problems with the doughnut hole for Mother Jones in the September/October 2008 issue. Eventually, the health care reform bill will close the donut hole entirely. The AARP has more on immediate health care benefits for seniors. Next year (i.e., in nine months), 50 percent of the doughnut hole will be covered.
8) Medicare's preventive benefits now come with a free visit with your primary care doctor every year to plan out your prevention services. And there are no more co-pays for preventative services in Medicare.
9) This is a big one: Small businesses get big tax credits—up to 50 percent of premium costs—for offering health insurance to their workers.
10) Insurers with unusually high administrative costs have to offer rebates to their customers, and every insurance company has to reveal how much it spends on overhead.
2/3 to be contd...see next for the end.
stanley seigler
11:13 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
10 Things You Get Now That Obamacare Survived
UPDATE: Here's one more big benefit we've found out about since the ACA passed:
11) Free birth control and other preventative services for women, unless you work for a faith-based organization that opposes birth control.
Read Adam Serwer's breakdown of what the Supreme Court's decision means and what comes next.
3/3 the end.
Knot a Lib
1:27 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
stanley, these are great benefits but how can an insurer possibly give us all this? Alot of them will go under, along with their many jobs. What's the incentive, from a business standpoint, with no profit?
JoSCh
1:52 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Health care insurance SHOULDN'T be about jobs and health care SHOULDN'T be about maximizing profit. The ACA doesn't eliminate profit, it limits them much like military contracts limit profits.
What is the healthcare industries incentive to provide healthcare to everyone who needs it, to lower costs, or to cure disease? There is none, because the current model is so profitable and that is their objective. It's morally wrong to put profit before people.
stanley seigler
5:36 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
@notali: "... how can an insurer possibly give us all this..."
i dunno...perhaps ask the mitt how they did it in MA and ask the western Europeans how they do it...
perhaps USA will take the next step and go to a single payer plan...oh my gawd universal health care...socialized medicine...
Eleanor
4:39 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The GOP is waging war on the poor.
Eleanor
4:49 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Actually, failure to accept the Medicaid expansion is very likely to drive up our SC taxes. Hospitals will have to rely more on money from insured people, including Medicaid, since their Medicare reimbursement is being cut. So, if there are fewer Medicaid than planned, the hospitals will have to pass on their costs to the insured and the tax payers.
Knot a Lib
12:14 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I've read all the comments and, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.... Quit making excuses and start making you're own money, legally that is, as most of you're cousins are probably making license plates at the moment. Get to work, and if you do work then I am sadly ashamed at the pushover's you've became. You will eventually see it can't operate that way......Although you're comments to follow wont reflect it, I'm glad you REALLY now see that I'm correct, ....morally!
stanley seigler
12:18 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
@not
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JoSCh
12:47 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Seriously, when is a rational, educated, and knowledgeable self identifying Republican going to show up and post here? I know you must exist. You're allowing yourselves to be represented by lackeys, bigots, and idiots.
I mean, this dumbfvck thinks that empathy is a bad thing, that reverse psychology works on people over 6 years old, and that an elipsis (with an inexplicable extra period) would follow a comma. That is what passes for representation of the "Grand Ole Party" these days? Jesus wept.
Knot a Lib
1:47 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
To:JOCH STRAP- Public school's in SC lacked the funding for proper education due to an undeserving 3/4 of the population receiving welfare and free medical when I came along. That would explain my punctuation and whatever the hell a elipsis is.
JoSCh
2:02 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
So you're advocating for public school funding? You just outed yourself Marxist. Try the Huffington Post.
The elipsis is the three (and only three) periods following an incomplete thought in writing, with the elipsis indicating that the reader will know what was to follow. People often wrongly use it to indicate a long pause which is kind of what you did, although you botched that too.
Oh, and 3/4 of the population of SC were never on welfare, you can probably add math to the ever growing list of things you're terrible at.
stanley seigler
3:23 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
@JoSCh "The elipsis is the three (and only three) periods..."
apropos of nothing
thanks for the 'elipsis' information...i probably use it wrongly (sometime use four)...didn't even know what it was...picked it up from celine's novels...
JoSCh
9:46 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Stanley, your grammar, punctuation, capitalization, frankly your entire posting style IS awful to read. But you generally post facts, when you do post your opinion in it's clear that that is what it is and you're rarely fallacious so I give you a pass. Being genuine goes a long way with me.
stanley seigler
2:28 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
@JoSCh: grammar, punctuation, capitalization, frankly your entire posting style IS awful to read..."
shucks...guess i can give up my aspirations to be another e.e. cummings...maybe a joyce:) tho, 'as frankly i found his entire 'finnegans wake' awful to read' (gave up, may try again)...weel at least 'jj and me' have something in common: some people find us awful to read...
Knot a Lib
2:06 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
JOCH STRAP was lucky enough to be homeschooled and get a great education from his welfare Mom while most of us went to pubic school as our parents WORKED for a living. Sorry most of us average posters punctuation offends your snobby @ss,.....LOL,,,....::;;"
JoSCh
2:44 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
So again, seriously, when is a rational, educated, and knowledgeable self identifying Republican going to show up and post here? I know you must exist. You're allowing yourselves to be represented by lackeys, bigots, and idiots. This dumbfvck thinks that being right is "snobby" and being stupid is average.
If you're going to attack my mom be accurate at least and creative if you can. My mom put herself through college and has worked as a nurse for 30 + years. For instance, I hope your mother gets raped by cancer. See, accurate AND funny.
Knot a Lib
2:24 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I meant 3/4 of the recipient's of gubment help are doing so fraudulently........,"..,,,.
Knot a Lib
2:30 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
While we are at it(I was scared to attempt "we're", due to not knowing if that is correct) what is the proper way to grammatically show a pause? curious.
JoSCh
2:52 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
There really isn't reason to show a "pause" in writing. Commas, semicolons and colons are used to separate elements and clauses in a sentence. People often use them to show pauses but they usually misuse them by trying to make the sentence look how it sounds.
I went to public school and then joined the Navy, btw. I wasn't homeschooled, no college. Being educated is the responsibility of every individual. Individual responsibility. Hey, that used to be a conservative value!
Knot a Lib
2:52 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
My mom had breast cancer JOCH STRAP. And now you are getting morbid with your comments,......... just as you Libs always do. Wow,"..
JoSCh
2:56 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
See, accurate.
Did she pay out of pocket for every last bit of her treatment. Did she take responsibility or did she take "welfare?" Just curious where your hypocrisy ends.
Knot a Lib
3:03 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I help my Dad pay monthly on the remaining balance, as she was on his insurance. Luckily the burial expenses were already taken care of buy her.
Knot a Lib
3:06 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I applaud your Mom's accomplishments and wish her well. My Mom was awesome too btw.Take care.
Knot a Lib
3:13 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
"by" Her. Before you crucify me as well.
JoSCh
9:41 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
lol
I had to take it WAY past the line to show you that you don't know much anything about anything. Why is hysterical hyperbole the only thing you guys understand anymore? Rational conversation doesn't even register. It's scary and sad.
Centrist to a flaw
8:33 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
We have come a long way from proper governance and polite discourse when the left explains and provides details to their points while the right just seems to want to attack anyone who disagrees with their own self-formed opinions.
JoSCh
12:37 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
In general they aren't self formed opinions. They repeat propaganda fed to them under the guise of news. Why they don't question the propaganda I do not know. I suspect it's because they're hoping that if the elite do finally wrest control completely from us Americans that the sycophants will be spared. Pascals wager at it's worst...
stanley seigler
11:54 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
FYI
[CLIPS]
“As a doctor, I[bill frist] strongly believe that people without health insurance die sooner. Sure, they can eventually go to an emergency room. But it is often too late. They wait longer to get a breast lump checked out. They wait until their nagging cough turns into a fulminant pneumonia. They skip preventive care and then show up to the ER with severe, costly, late-stage symptoms that are harder and more expensive to treat,” he wrote.
“State exchanges are the solution. They represent the federalist ideal of states as "laboratories for democracy." We are seeing 50 states each designing a model that is right for them, empowered to take into account their individual cultures, politics, economies, and demographics. While much planning has yet to be done, we are already seeing a huge range in state models. I love the diversity and the innovation. … Simply put, state exchanges represent a distinctly American opportunity to improve our local communities and at the same time help our nation avert a major crisis. Let's take the plunge.”
[for rest of story goto link]
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-bill-frist-calls-for-gop-to-get-over-opposition-to-healthcare-law-20120718,0,7684527.story